I have been informed that Mr. Sheaffer is being given the option of either resigning from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or being expelled.
So I only have one question Mr. Sheaffer, was it worth it?
So I only have one question Mr. Sheaffer, was it worth it?
Was it worth sullying your reputation among every criminal defense lawyer in the state just so Kathy Belich could get a story? Was it worth having your claims of “professionalism” published on Mr. Boedeker’s blog on the same day you sold out an entire organization.
You may be an Internet sensation and a media darling, but you are a disgrace to your colleagues. Good job.
You may me an Internet sensation and a media darling, but you are a disgrace to your colleagues. Good job.
And for those that are interested, I did verify that Mr. Sheaffer lied to obtain the seminar materials. Apparently FACDL was concerned that the audio would be leaked, so they set up a system to stream the audio.
Mr. Sheaffer called FACDL headquarters and claimed he was having a hard time hearing the audio and would like to have a copy sent to him. He went so far as to say he needed it so that he could maintain his death penalty qualifications.
FACDL believed Mr. Sheaffer and sent him the audio as he requested – he immediately turned it over to Ms. Belich. The rest is history – just like his reputation among his colleagues.
The rest is history – just like his reputation among his colleagues.
As a side-note, I was informed that when this situation was brought to the attention of the News Director for WFTV-ABC, he was the consummate professional and removed all references at the request of FACDL. I would like to not only commend him for that, I would like to say thank you.
I would like to say thank you.
disregard (sp)
This is the part of the discusson I’m having trouble with:
“The only issue raised by J.A.B. as to the Board’s findings of fact relates to
Specification 1(A). J.A.B. admits that he failed to fully comply with the child
support order but contends that the Board erroneously relied on the testimony of his
ex-wife to find that he owed back child support payments.”
Huh? isn’t that what he is relying on with Kronk?
IS there a reason my last post is awaiting moderation?guess I hit onto something..these tapes are avaliable for purchase..
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But she has made herself a public figuire by posing her own videos and her writings. Sure she can post her own content, I’m just asking doesnt’ that open the door to being scrutinized? She is not a part of this case by accident, she’s in it by choice.
The other station reported the questionable content of Lyon’s speech(audio provided as proof), not any of the other speakers. So the media was focusing on the specific questionable content as it pertained to her, not the conference itself.
And doesn’t the FACDL’s website sell copies of different seminar’s audio to members & non-members? What are the stipulations when you buy one of thes tapes? Common sense would tell anyone, if you give a speech that is recorded, then someone other than the intended might hear it.
Why is it ok for the defense to bring out bad character(2nd party)evidence against Kronk, but it’s not ok to reveal any bad character evidence of Ms. Lyons when that evidence came directly from her mouth. I’m sure that if the defense had audio of Roy Kronk, they would be releasing it. How is this differerent?
Of course they knew this would be an eye–catching story,controversy or whistle-blowing usually is.
I believe it was stated on another site that the website for the FACDL is antiquated and an email form is filled out, sent to a director, and credentials verified before copies are released.
Please correct me if I am wrong
I wonder if the moderation is triggered by keywords or phrases.
I have a comment waiting as well
Thank You Mr. Hornsby,
90.608 and 90.613 was perfect for what I was looking for.
Have a great Holiday.
Could be but mine was quoted material and links to the tapes being available for a price..
I am starting to wonder who really may be behind these tapes being released.It is JMO and nothing more.
It is my impression that Ms. L posted editted versions herself.
I could be wrong.
RH is posting mostly on WS, and I don’t have an account there, so I can only lurk.
I wish he would post as much here as well
RH- You stated on WS that somehow because of misdemeanor charge Grund knew of and called Baez. You stated a reporter told you this.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224409.pdf
On page 80, Grunds backround check states they found no arrests. Wouldn’t you have to be arrested to be charged with a misdemeanor, and require the services of an attorney?
Thank you
I also notice that Miss Lyon’s has deleted most of her online speech links but 2. I watched 9 on monday and by yesterday it only shows 2. All 9 were posted by her all but one showed her doing speeches. Also on you tube Monday there were 80 hits for this Andra Lyon’s. Yesterday only 6. Not only is she deleting them herself but so are other lawyers?
It’s all the malice in blunderland….
Soooooo Mr. Hornsby…..Truth be known… Andrea LYON cannot DENY she stated those horrendous claims and insults toward prospective jurors, the judges, proscutors and the public… Besides making a mockery of the Catholic School Face. Cursing and using God’s name in vain as she did in her speech is not TRUTH AND JUSTICE!!Hornsby says WAA WAA WAA!!!! Sounds like some Defense Lawyers got caught with their pants down!!! Why so much attention to the release of a Theory maker (called Fiction) name calling unethical lecturer like Ms Lyon. Cannot deny she said these things. She even posted part of this on YOU tube herself 8 months ago… except for the truth about her name calling.. Jurors are killers and idiots… We the Public should be outraged that Hornsby and others in his little club are calling Mr. Sheaffer and Kathi Belich evildoers when all they have done is reveal the TRUTH!!!!
Since when is it wrong to speak truth?IMO Some peeps need to get bigger pants and put them on one leg at a time like the rest of us and take the punches of life like the rest of us and accept responsibility for our actions. Instead of sicking our croonies on JUSTICE SEEKERS because things we said was not kind to them and we did not want it out about our actions. IMOSaving a life at what cost? Who did anything to save the life of a CHILD!!! Should we protect the LIFE of a Mother who showed no kind of caring or respect for the life of her own child?
LIES and Cursing using God’s name in VAIN is not actions of a saint that claims to save lives. ONLY Demons make claims like that…IMO
THANK YOU MR SCHAEFFER and KATHI BELICH for JUSTICE SAKE!!!JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND CHILDREN LIKE HER!!!
The TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!!
Does not surprise me in the least…
You are both living in a state of delusion. I cannot believe any adult with half a brain would say the things you both have said. There is absolutely no way in hell you can claim I have done anything wrong. You are trying to scare the wrong person. I do not buy your nonsensical threats. HEY HORNSBY: Tell these maniacs that they can’t sue someone for (as they put it “deformation” lol) defamation for giving an opinion on an ANONYMOUS blog. IMO this guy is not what he says he is and he shows it with his “bragging” and spewing nonsense at you. Set them straight! They don’t listen to reason…. Well, for that matter, they hate you so they probably won’t listen to you either!
This is ridiculous. HORNSBY: Tell these morons that they can’t SUE someone for DEFAMATION (or defORmation as he put it, LOL) because I say I don’t believe he’s an ME. This is soooo funny. Wouldn’t I actually have to know WHO I was talking about to be sued??? Wouldn’t I have to hurt his reputation in some way??? What a loser. HEY JMLM, JOE BLOW, and PUNCH: I think you are all stupid! Get my IP address and go ahead and SUE ME. Hahahahaha.
@Jeansee
You forgot RATINGS FOR WFTV AND EMBELLISH!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8239410&page=1
Keep laughing
Quite honestly, I think this is your blog, and I think you have a right to blog what ever you choose.
If people don’t like it, they can closr the window, or google something else.
It’s done, right? Can’t unring the bell.
Now that all this has happened, how does the SAO do damage control? I’m thinking if you hate the crime, hate the accused, and hate her attorneys you aren’t going to be sitting in one of those 12 chairs. I’m think selection will take for ever. And I’m thinking Baez’s motion to interview potential jurors privately, might be granted.
@Richard Hornsby
Touche Touche… LOL….
Isn’t defamation spoken and libel written? It seems people can sue for anything these days, it doesn’t mean they’ll win.
Defamation is any form of false and harmful disparagement of someone’s reputation; libel is written defamation. Slander is spoken defamation.
Mr. Hornsby, thank you for clarifying.
Several big differences: these were named individuals that the anonymous posters were committing libel against. They were being accused of horrendous crimes by the anonymous posters. This JMLM character has not given his real name, nor has he given any identifying information, nor have I posted anything that could be remotely considered to have caused ‘harmful disparagement’ of his ‘reputation’. I don’t think he is what he says he is. I think he is lying.
Is it now against the law to tell someone you don’t believe a word they say? Is it now against the law to tell someone they sound dumb? Is it now against the law to point out someone sounds like a whiner and a creep? No.
Did any of you JMLM supporters actually read his posts? Did you all see the part where he called me a “horses ass” for complimenting Hornsby? I called him no names. I never even directed any comment toward him until he attacked me for supporting Hornsby and not liking Schaeffer.
I have the same First Amendment rights as everyone else in this country. If you don’t want me to give my opinion, then DON’T address me in your posts. I’m not going to bow down to a handful of blog trolls who want to threaten me with a baseless lawsuit. This is beyond stupid. Does it make you feel tough and important to threaten people? It only makes you look like a whining baby. If you don’t want to get bashed back, don’t bash.
@Kelley
All I was talking about was getting your IP, I didn’t bash
And some people still don’t understand why there are WARS.
I just don’t understand the purpose of verbal bashing, or responding with more verbal bashing. If I set out to bash someone for stating their opinion, I personally would feel like a “horses ass” if that person refrained & came back at me with a thoughtful, articulate rebuttal to my bashing.
I personally do not agree with Mr. Hornsby’s opinion concerning the “Lyons,Shaeffer,Belich” issue, but I do respect that he has been nice enough to respond to my questions. Even if I didn’t feel some of the responses completely answered my questions, at least the questions were aknowledged.
I would prefer to try to understand the process of someone’s perception & how they formed their opinion, since I haven’t walked in anyone’s shoes but my own.
How did I get brought into this?
Mr. Hornsby, IF any of this is true can you please explain and give your opinion? TIA
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-14615-Spokane-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m11d25-Orlando-Florida-Is-Jose-Baez-suborning-perjury
@Anti-MD
Wow, what a sensationalized story. I think the accuracy of that story can be sunned up from a quote it had: “purely conjecture based on the information supplied by one anonymous source.”
First off, it is my understanding that Marti Mackenzie no longer works for Baez. So who would have the media contacts to set up paid network interviews for the witnesses – this theory is up there with the lone gunman theory.
And I would like some statutory citations to the felony for putting false information into a court file. I have never heard of that one.
As for his sources that are worried about their livelihood, he only has like three employees in his firm. How hard could it be to figure out who the source is?
Mr. Hornsby: Thank you for standing up for right and wrong! Regardless of all the bashing you’ve received, I want to thank you for your posts regarding this case. It’s really hard for a regular person like myself to know the difference between true information and mis-information; however, you have provided a lot of law to back up your statements. I’m really tired of all the anti-Casey/Defense sentiments and sites and am glad to finally find a site where the information provided is non-biased, no-nonsense. I want to read and hear facts not fiction as most do. I share your opinion of Mr. Sheaffer and his sidekick!
My question here is… in your opinion what could be the impact on this case by the leaked material? I personally think the whole thing is blown out of proportion by the haters but am concerned about the impact on Casey getting a fair trial.
Yes WFTV had a Good November…. They report first and the best of Truth!!!!
Embellish is also a claim Defense Lawyer Ms Lyon says to do in her teachings also.. I listened to the whole speach.. she did… IMO.
@Finally
Because the materials were recalled so quickly it will have little effect on the trial.
However, if the materials had been allowed to linger out there and make their way onto Nancy Grace and Issues with Jane, the effect would have been noticeable.
@Jeansee
I <3 Embellish
Sorry for the spelling errors… I was in such a hurry that I didn’t proof-read before posting!!
Mr. Hornsby, thank you for your response. Unfortunately, just because WFTV-ABC removed all references to this story doesn’t illuminate all the other media outlets from still running with it. In fact, there’s still a lot of information still out on the web regarding this material including audio on youtube, Blinkoncrime.com, orlandosentinel.com just to name a few. With that in mind, how could this kind of information affect the case? If it were to affect the case, would there be an appeal option available due to the lack of a fair trial?
True historian you are… and True lawyer and possible politician ? LOL Thank You sir for you insights and responses..
Mr.Hornsby… what is your take on all these motions filed last minute 11/25/2009 by Lyon and Baez?
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law
in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
(Defendant’s) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant’s Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Objection
Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits for Defendant’s Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death
11/25/2009 Motion
to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase as Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s)
in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Motion
for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining “Premeditation”
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining “Premeditation”
@Jeansee
All of these motions are standard motions filed in Death Penalty cases. They are necessary to preserve constitutional objections in the event the United States Supreme Court later decides that certain death penalty procedures are unconstitutional.
However, the Statement of Particulars should have been filed a long time ago. It will help enlighten us as to what exactly the State’s theory is behind the First Degree Murder charge.
I looked at overviews of Ring v Arizona and Apprendi v New Jersey, and it would not appear that Florida DP Law is in violation of the defendant’s rights to have aggravating circumstances determined by a jury as part of their recommendation, and that the judge is free to consider prior bad acts and/or enhance sentencing if aggravating circumstances are present, etc. My questions. Do you agree that Florida Law is Constitutionally sound? Can the defense file an immediate appeal if the judge denies the motions? Would such an appeal delay the proceedings? And, do you think the latest complection of the US Supreme Court could potentially further expand the rights of defendants in DP cases?
Since Kronk does not fit the description given of the nanny I am visiting different blogs in my search for a “10″. Female, mid twenties, long dark hair. A perfect 10. Please come out and show yourselfs, Bozo and company would like to drag you through their mud pit next.
We will never know exactly when or how Lacy Petersen died. But her husband was rightly convicted of her murder and sentenced to death. I believe bozo’s claim that we do not know the manner or exact location or time of caylee’s death does not mean skanky is innocent. He wants us to believe that just because we don’t know these things then his client must be innocent. This is BS and he knows it.
@preciousbabies
Please let me know when you find her, I will represent her pro bono (just don’t tell my fiance).
@preciousbabies
Exactly, but at least Mr. Peterson was provided due process by presenting his defense to a jury. So while a jury could and may convict her, they are also allowed by law to acquit her if they believe it is justified based on the evidence THEY are presented.
Hey, I think I seen that perfect 10 with Gloria Allred on TV. Long brown hair, perfect teeth, young. Tiger Woods has been hiding her in New York. Casey did say to check the data base in New York, did she not?