Well, today threw me for quite a loop.
I was pleasantly surprised to see Assistant State Attorney Frank George not only appear, but precisely state the law when advocating for enforcement of Judge Strickland’s original sentence.
Nevertheless, Judge Perry seemed hesitant, did not immediately rule in favor of Mr. George, and instead indicated he needed to do some additional research.
At that point, I said hey, what do I know, I’m just a dumb blogger, but maybe if I provide my dumb blogger’s “research,” Judge Perry’s eyes might just come across it. (But really, I mean it’s not like Judge Perry’s law clerks or staff lawyers, or any lawyer involved in the case for that matter, would ever read my blog.)
Does Double Probation Means Double Jeopardy?
Defense Attorney Lisabeth Fryer (whom I think is an excellent advocate) asserted that since Ms. Anthony could have been violated while she was in jail (which, as you will see, is true), the court must consider Casey Anthony to have been actually supervised. Otherwise, requiring her to be supervised a second time would constitute double jeopardy.
There are two flaws with this argument (one of which is fatal) and if carried to their logical conclusion, shows that this argument should not prevail.
A Sword and a Shield
First, you can bet your bottom $200,000 dollars that had Ms. Anthony’s probation actually been “violated” while she was in jail, the defense would have argued that she was not on probation in jail, as Judge Strickland’s “oral pronouncement” was clear that her probation was not to start until she “was released” from jail.
Thus, probation had no jurisdiction to violate someone who was not on probation and the court would therefore have no jurisdiction to conduct a Violation of Probation proceeding.
While this is nothing more than an academic exercise, you can bet that the legal positions would have been reversed had such a scenario occurred.
Thus, it seems patently obvious that the defense is only using the “scrivener’s error” as a sword now, but would obviously have used it as a shield had Ms. Anthony been violated while in jail. And as you will read below, the United States Supreme Court has cautioned that the constitutional prohibition against double jeopardy should not be used to turn sentencing into “a game in which the wrong move by the judge means immunity for the prisoner.”
Prospective Violations are Permissible
Unfortunately for the Casey Anthony defense, the Florida Supreme Court has clearly found that a court can prospectively violate someone. A prospective violation means that a defendant who is sentenced to jail to be followed by probation, can be found in violation of probation, while still serving the jail portion of the sentence, before beginning to actually serve the probationary portion of their sentence. Stafford v. State, 455 So. 2d 385 (Fla. 1984).
The Florida Supreme Court adopted the following opinion when holding a trial court has the inherent ability to revoke a person’s probation before it is even started:
The question here is whether a probationer can, with impunity, engage in a criminal course of conduct (or for that matter any course of conduct which is essentially contrary to good behavior) during the interval between the date of an order of probation and some subsequent date when the probationary term is to commence.
We think not. To hold otherwise would make a mockery of the very philosophy underlying the concept of probation, namely, that given a second chance to live within the rules of society and the law of the land, one will prove that he will thereafter do so and become a useful member of society.
As a result of the Stafford opinion, Ms. Fryer’s argument (that because Ms. Anthony could have been violated, the court must consider her to have been on probation) is unpersuasive.
This is because the court already had the inherent authority to revoke Ms. Anthony’s probation before it commenced if she committed an act that would have constituted a violation while on probation. (This actually comes up frequently when one inmate commits a battery on another inmate.)
Guidance on Addressing the Legal Morass
While I would agree that I could find no case exactly like Ms. Anthony’s situation, I nonetheless believe there are plenty of cases that provide guidance on how Judge Perry Should rule.
This is because while the Department of Corrections likely never catches when they release someone from probation early, there are legions of cases where someone has been released from prison early – only to be returned once the mistake is identified.
For Example…
In Carson v. State, 489 So. 2d 1236 (Fla. 2d 1986) the defendant was sentenced to thirty months imprisonment with credit for time served” on January 14, 1985. (Notably the court left it up to corrections to determine the amount of time served.) Corrections gave the defendant credit for 546 days of credit when he should have received 173 days.
On May 16, 1985, more than 60 days after the sentence was imposed, the state filed a motion to correct appellant’s sentence to reflect the correct amount of credit for time served. The court granted the state’s motion and issued an amended sentence, nunc pro tunc, January 14, 1985.
The defendant appealed arguing his sentence was being illegally increased after he had already been discharged and that the court lacked jurisdiction to modify a sentence after sixty days.
The appellate trial court rejected the defendant’s argument and stated the trial court was neither correcting an illegal sentence nor reducing a legal sentence, but was attempting to execute the original sentence it had ordered. The court went on to state, “a court may correct clerical mistakes in its own judgments and records, nunc pro tunc, even after the term of court has expired, and such corrections generally relate back and take effect as of the date of judgment.”
Finally, the court in Carson ruled that if a defendant is released or discharged from prison (or in Ms. Anthony’s case, probation) by mistake, the defendant may be recommitted if the sentence would not have expired had she remained in confinement.
In Ms. Anthony’s case, her probation sentence would not expire until July 17, 2012; so there is plenty of time to fix the clerical error so she serves the intended sentence.
A Legal Smörgåsbord for Judge Perry
Finally, there is Gallinat v. State, 941 So. 2d 1237 (Fla. 5th DCA 2006) that was issued by the Fifth District Court of Appeals (the same appellate court Ms. Anthony would have to appeal too).
The defendant in Galliant was sentenced concurrently in two cases to 33 1/2 months in prison. The sentencing documents sent to the Department of Corrections reflected credit for 285 days served in county jail prior to sentencing in each case.
The truth though, was that the defendant had only done 264 days in one case and 96 days in the other. Three months later, the trial court entered a “corrected order,” which reduced the jail credit award in each case to 264 and 96 days respectively, which reflected the time actually served by the defendant. (This also meant that he would sit in prison for about four months more.)
Well, wouldn’t you know it, the defendant appealed and argued virtually identical grounds as Ms. Anthony’s attorneys argued. The Fifth District Court of Appeal rejected the defendant’s arguments on multiple grounds, which I will briefly summarize below:
- The Court saw no difference between a correction made by one of the Department’s commitment auditors and a judge’s correction in the reporting of time that an inmate has served toward a sentence when the error is brought to the court’s attention by the state or the court’s clerk. Neither correction implicates a defendant’s constitutional right to be free of double jeopardy.
- Correcting the time served to properly reflect that historical fact will not result in imprisonment for more than the maximum, and does not “increase the sentence.” Rather, the correction simply ensures that the defendant will serve the sentence judicially imposed.
- The United States Supreme Court has cautioned that the constitutional prohibition against double jeopardy should not be used to turn sentencing into “a game in which the wrong move by the judge means immunity for the prisoner.” That is exactly what would happen here if we were to hold that a judge could never correct a time-served calculation in the “typical” case.
- In addressing double jeopardy claims in the sentencing context, the United States Supreme Court has focused on the “legitimate expectations” of the defendant. Meaning, the defendant’s only legitimate expectation should be to serve the full sentence imposed, and not catch a break because of a clerical error.
- It is appropriate to consider legitimate expectations of the victim of a particular crime involved in a case, and of society in general. Both should be able to legitimately expect that the crime will be punished, which includes a right to expect that a lawfully-imposed sentence will be fully served.
The bottom lime, a clerical error can be corrected at any time BEFORE the sentence would expire so that a defendant fulfills the sentence actually imposed.
My Prediction: A “Splitting of the Baby“
My final prediction is that Judge Perry will essentially split the baby when resolving this issue.
On one hand, I am pretty sure he is probably not to pleased with the way Foghorn Leghorn accused Judge Strickland of engaging in fraud by entering an order Nunc Pro Tunc (which is a latin turn, meaning “now for then”). So when Judge Strickland issued the clarification order Nunc Pro Tunc, he was not saying that the events reflected in the minutes occurred on August 1, 2011; he was legally saying, although I am signing this document on August 1, 2011, they signature is to be retroactively applicable to when I originally signed the document January 25, 2010.
Also, with the State taking the position that Ms. Anthony should be on probation, he risks being reversed should the State appeal. This puts more pressure on him to rule correctly, as opposed to what would be easier – which is to get Ms. Anthony out of his hair for good.
On the other hand, by being the Chief Judge of the Ninth Judicial Circuit, he is also the defacto Chief Criminal Justice Administrator for the Ninth Judicial Circuit. Meaning he knows the State, law enforcement, and probation have better things to be doing than dealing with Ms. Anthony’s safety and her hoard of enemies she now has (never mind the hysteria should a violation ever be alleged).
And You Thought Judge Strickland Was Solomon Like
As a result I believe he will pull a Judge Strickland and be King Solomon like and “split the baby” by entering an order stating she is to be on probation, but that it will be Administrative Probation (which essentially means, don’t ever get arrested and you make it.)
P.S.
Between me and you, if he puts her on Administrative Probation, it would be an illegal sentence.
This is because Administrative Probation is part of a split-sentencing scheme that has to be authorized at the time it is originally imposed (meaning Judge Strickland would have had to impose it) and it requires the first half of her probation to be “supervised” before she can be placed on the “administrative” portion.
The court may also impose split probation whereby, upon satisfactory completion of half the term of probation, the Department of Corrections may place the offender on administrative probation for the remainder of the term of supervision. Florida Statute 948.012(3)
But at this point, any type of accountability would be palatable. Ms. Anthony and her shady band of lawyers beat the murder rap, there is no reason they should also beat a simple probation rap.
and once again EVERYONE else is responsible EXCEPT Casey..She has never had to take responsibility for her actions..and if many had their way, this would be no exception..I have a novel idea..think about this..Had Casey Anthony not stolen from Amy in the first place she wouldn’t be in this position at all..Imagine that? !!! Oh, that’s right she was desperate.. to get beer, sexy lingerie, push up bra and other asst sundries..So tell me why is it Judge Perry’s or anyone elses fault besides Casey that she has to do the time if she did the crime?..Being hated makes her special or something?..Notice to all future thieves and murderers..When you commit a crime, tell the most outrageous tall tales and make sure you make yourself notorious and YOU too can get away with anything because you will be *special* and the law won’t apply to you..Cry me a river will ya?! The blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrator of the crime..CASEY…
You sound like one of the haters on the os blog. Do you have anything of substance to say? I mean really. Kc did take responsibility for her actions. She plead guilty and spent time in jail. Why don’t you go ahead and try starting out your post with truth instead of a mistruth? Who are you trying to fool? Everything is public record. Spewing mistruths around the blogs just feeds the fire of hate. Is that your goal?
YAFN-It is incredible the lengths to which Casey’s supporters will go. And if the literature on psychopaths was understood by these “insightful” posters, they would know that Casey is laughing at them all the way to the bank.
I know right?! She counts on them..some are working for her and the DT and hoping for a payday themselves I suppose..others, well I don’t even begin to understand what they are thinking..I know one thing, it would scare the chit out of me to be able to identify with this sociopath in in shape form or fashion..I don’t understand why Casey should be treated differently than anyone else just because she is hated by so many..Who’s fault is that..ours? ..the media? the Judge and prosecutor? ANYBODY’S except Casey’s ..same as it has been for the last 3 years..*They* are intent in making her some kind of martyr or something…just tells me much about their character and morals..or lack thereof..you have to wonder about their own mental health..and then some people just enjoy being obstinate and want to argue about anything… I think the majority fall in that last category myself..again that’s jmo tho..
The people who are up in arms about probation don’t quite connect the dots. Way back in January 2010 Mr Baez gladly accepted probation for his client because he stated in open court that his client would be exonerated of the murder charges. Probation never looked so good to anyone but Casey Anthony on that day. To think that someone thought she was going to be walking around looking for a job, keeping away from friend and foe, having a beer and no “weed”. The implied assumption that her liberty and freedoms would return in this lifetime must have been heady stuff to deal with post felony conviction(s).
Now that their golden girl has to come back to Orlando they are all up in arms about the legal ineguity of her situation and the possibility that she is being subjected to “double jeopardy” when in reality a clerical mistake was made and amended.
But I bet you dimes to donuts that if they looked over their deed (to their home)and saw a scrivener’s error they would be shouting from the rooftops that the oral agreement was what should stand-not some jackwagons clerical error.
Yet another mistruth. Didn’t the Dr say she was not a sociopath or a pathological liar? Are you a Doctor? You spew these mistruths for what reason? Lets try to solve your mistruth problem before we go on to work on your other problems. Try to make a post with no mistruths, then we can go from there… good luck.
Wow,
Nice to meet you “YouAintfoolingnobody” I suppose you’re talking about me because I think the jury got it right. So does that make me a sociopath? I’m sorry, but I don’t think we’ve ever met.
But I’ll pay you a compliment. At least you added JMO at the end of your commentary which tells me you’re not quite as rude as the majority of *THEM* But IMO you’re still in *THEIR* category. In other words, there’s nothing really special about you, you just happen to have a little more manners.
idk..are you a sociopath? Could be for all I know..and yes I did add jmo..because that is exactly what it is…and I’m in MY OWN category TY..I don’t play follow the leader..but, I appreciate the compliment..I try to be polite..am not always successful..but find no reason not to try anyway..as far as me being *nothing really special*..I guess that would depend on who you ask
..but you’ve NEVER seen me say anything of the sort..have a good night..
but just to be clear..even in *moo* I never called anyone but Casey a sociopath..
Anonymous,
Why can’t you understand. It doesn’t matter if I read the literature. I still haven’t met Casey Anthony in person. How can I even speculate IF she fits the criteria of a psychopath or a sociopath or ANY personality disorder if I’ve never met her?
In my opinion, it’s ludicrous and arrogant to pretend to know so much about a person you’ve never met.
So far you’ve put on the Doctor Hat, the Mind Reader Hat, the Lawyer Hat, how many hats do you have girl?
I’m laughing out loud Anonymous.
I wonder…..
Has any defense lawyer ever aggressively courted the media as much as Baez? I can name just a handful, but Baez rises to the top of the national list. What ever happened to “No comment”?? From the very beginning, there wasn’t a camera in sight that Baez didn’t stick his face in front of!
Jessica,
I don’t think Kathi Belich would have accepted a “no comment”. She practically tripped over Baez’s back with a microphone begging for a morsel.
It was comical at times. I know I got a big chuckle just watching her sometimes.
As for press coverage for the prosecution, I often wondered who was leaking information to the press but after the prosecution rested their case it was obvious to me who was doing the leaking.
The prosecution’s entire case played out exactly as it did in the press. There were absolutely no surprises as we all expected. So if I were to speculate, I’d say it was someone from the State Attorney’s Office, perhaps LDB or JA.
Oh now that’s the funniest, most assbackwards answer ever!! LOL!! Thanks for the mighty big guffaw today!!!
One lil’ ‘ol question for you, Granny Queen-of-mean……
What is Kathi Belich’s job title again???
LMAO at the comparison. Now go ahead and tell me something stupidly snarky like “You have a good day now, Jess…because I KNOW I AM!!!”
(enter maniacal bwa-ha-ha cackling from the criminal underbelly of Nawlins….)
Jessica L. your comment cracked me up! I love it! Thanks for making my day.
I have watched Kimpossible put her in her place with facts and questions. Of course she never responds with any factual answers. She then slinks back to the ‘mission’. Then after about a week resurfaces with more baseless venom.
JBM,
In my opinion, the media can’t make anyone talk no matter how pushy they are, especially a lawyer. Lawyers and others say No Comment all the time.
The prosecutions case played out as it did in the press with no surprises because all the documents where obtained and reported on by the press thanks to the Sunshine Law. The evidence and circumstances the state obtaind fit with their theory and that’s the theory they presented because they believed in it (if they were constantly changing their theory like defense then their behavior would be questionable).
If the defense knew the truth through their client, why would they need to keep changing their story? 1. Caylee kidnapped Sawgrass, Caylee Alive
2.Caylee kidnappd Blanchard Park/Caylee alive 3. Jesse and his family suspicious 4. Kronk suspicious and should be investigated 5. Drowned in pool/cover up by George. When does truth require changing?
State uses sunshine, Defense uses the media. go figure
You get the silver medal, NTS. At least you lean toward polite discourse. As far as I know, I’ve never once heard you lower yourself to the level of your pal jbmish and bitter minion Marlena……happily throwing out defamatory comments, nasty names, personal (below-the-belt) accusations/insinuations, etc., etc.
Nts—you and I may disagree about almost everything, but I extend to you my personal thanks for staying above the fray and grossly inappropriate dialogue of jbm and omar/marlena!
This is in reference to the comments made primarily at the jbmission targeting prosecutors, former prosecutors, Judges (yea…both of them), as well as other case witnesses, expert witnesses, etc. IN SUM—ANYONE and EVERYONE who opposes their radical view that Casey is without fault, legal responsibility, personal/moral responsibility with regards to her child and that Casey is a virtous modern-day martyr saint whose gas smells like candycanes. JMO..
Both Mr Baez and Ms Anthony used the media to tell one lie after another.
Mr Baez said on July 20, 2008 after Ms Anthony’s Bond hearing “there’s evidence of a homicide but if they had more they would have charged her.” Of course we know immediately after saying this he visited with Ms Linda Drane Burdick and shortly thereafter he had his client moved from the jail and brought to her office. After visiting with the sex crimes, child abuse Unit Chief (LDB) Ms Anthony refused to tell the truth and accept a plea deal. Who could forget this defendant’s faux paux, “I didn’t commit the crime”. What crime? The Neglect of a Child implies the child is alive. The child was only “missing”.
On December 9, 2008 Mr Baez said, “Caylee was alive”. Two days later they found the remains of Casey Anthony’s child. He said this 6 weeks after his client was indicted on Felony Murder in the First Degree. There isn’t a lie he wouldn’t tell on behalf of his client.
Now that the money train is on the track he’s keeping his mouth shut. All the lies that both he and his cunning femme fatale told will be memorialized in a book. Neither one of them will be promoting the book because to do so would damage sales. They will both get a “cut” but neither one will bleed.
Sounds like your making all this up. I would like to read these official documents if you could link them.
Thank you notthatsmart for being not only smart but kind as always.
Bravo!
Yes “mistruth” is much more kind than the term “bald face lie.”
Wow! Anonymous’ comment begins with a mistruth.
Mistruth #1
Both Mr Baez and Ms Anthony used the media to tell one lie after another.
Hmm…ah when’s the last time Casey had a press conference??? The answer is NEVER! Anonymous, I’m laughing out loud
Mistruth #2
On December 9, 2008 Mr Baez said, “Caylee was alive” ..then you go on to say Mr. Baez lied.
Excuse you? How do you know WHAT Mr. Baez knew on Dec 9,2008 or ANY day for that matter?
Don’t you watch Judge Judy? Anonymous, I’m laughing out loud.
You can’t expect anyone to take this comment seriously when it’s based on the assumption that you “think” Baez knew.
Anonymous, please provide some facts, enough with the speculation.
Anonymous, Please allow me to help you understand the way most people perceive your words.
You went from being Dr. Anonymous to a Freak Show Mind Reader.
Which is it?
JBM,
Oct 2008 Baez press conference…we believe Caylee is alive.
He also said Todd Black worked for him…later when it came out that the person who AKA Todd Black who is Gil Cabot a convicted criminal, Baez then said he never worked for him.
http://www.wesh.com/r-video/17735629/detail.html
Casey with Baez at Press Conference wearing Missing Caylee Button October 2008. Begins to cry not when Caylee is mentioned but when Casey is mentioned that she too is someone’s child.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jos+baez+casey+anthony+oct+2008&aq=f
Dec 9 2008 Today show…Baez when asked about Caylee… she is alive…no question.
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/casey-anthonys-attorney-jose-baez-speaks-out-on-the-today-show/
http://www.abc27.com/story/14868150/casey-anthonys-lawyer-jose-baez-has-trials-of-his-own
How many more links would you like?
How about jailhouse videos maintaining Caylee kidnapped, Caylee alive, she’s assisted investigators with everything she knows, lied to her parents that law enforcement did not show her the photo of that woman in Kissemmee(Zenaida Gonzalez). Casey saying(paraphrasing)..all the information the police have came from me. (duh? how do you think the figuired our you were lying). Even when she knew videos where being released, she kept maintaining the same story. Cindy to Casey concerning relaying a message throught the media (paraphrasing)…Cindy-what do you want to tell zanny? Casey- Tell her I forgive her and to return Caylee.
Casey did not have to hold a news conference, she did enough talking on the jailhouse videos.
NTS-For once do your own homework. Anything you want to learn about this case is at your fingertips-Google your heart out. Go to the New Yorker and read about “Suffering Souls”-and read the follow-up article if you do not want to read Robert Hare’s research or Without Conscience. Go to the Orlando Sentinel and click on everything and anything they have compiled on the Casey Anthony trial. Go to WESH, WFTV and read Mr Hornsby’s articles on a topic that interests you. Spend your time wisely and add something substantive to the conversation. Maybe then others will take you seriously. Only you know what motivates you. Only you can change your attitude and engage in an adult conversation about crime and punishment with honesty and an open mind about the victim’s right to life.
Do you recall who the defendant told to “get a life”? That’s a peek inside the brain of someone who is vacant inside.
Perty nice way of avoiding the request. No one is forcing you to provide links for your obvious mistruths. I just asked nicely. It looks like you put in a lot of work to respond and I can respect that, but in the end you just evaded the request. thats okay. I’m a nice person and your forgiven .
Famous NTS quote taken from 8/7/11 post @ 2:57 PM.
“She may have wanted to scream the truth, but the system wouldn’t allow it.”
And you want Anon. to provide you with links to “official documents” when you make statements like this? Priceless!
Ah-ha-I am quite confident that if NTS looked at the probable cause affidavit, read Ms Anthony’s explanation about how and why Caylee went missing, listened to the first jailhouse phone call and simply stopped right there and reflected upon what Mrs Anthony told the dispatcher “Something’s not right. I found my daughter but I can’t find my granddaughter” she would have had a foundation or a starting point relative to understanding who this defendant is.
Taking a piece of paper and answering ONE vital question WHAT DO I KNOW would have all but eliminated three years of arguing with people who could wade through the crap and come to understand why Ms Anthony was indicted on Felony Murder-there was evidence of murder on July 16, 2008 even if NTS doesn’t think so. We know she wasn’t there.
In both the probable cause affidavit and Ms Anthony’s explanation we see someone who is disordered, detached, without shame, guilt or concern for her child. The soundlessness of her concern is what got everyone’s attention.
As one reads John A and Yuri M supplemental report we see them outline in vivid detail the psychopathic traits they observed in Ms Anthony. Read Ms Anthony’s account of who her child was- she referred to her as a “white female”. Is that a little too cold? There have been any number of people who have analyze the defendant before and after the trial-see Dr Keith Ablow’s Oct 2008 article describing her as a psychopath. He never spent 5 minutes with the defendant.
Everything you said leads one to believe that something was wrong. It is the narrow minded that didn’t dig deep enough to find the truth. Once you open your mind, all these documents begin to make sense. I can’t help it if folks are stuck way back. See? you are making the same mistake that the investigators made. You called it early on. You still have never looked into it. You are stuck on July 15th 2008. This investigation needed to be lead by someone like Appie that could continue to look deeper. Ym does not have the capacity to handle someone as complicated as Kc. Yes during the interrogation, we learned of their combined experience, but we didn’t learn anything else. Thank goodness the Jury could see right through this investigation…. MOO
notthatsmart,
I doubt very seriously if she would have the link because I don’t think they exist. I think this is Anonymous speculating again. She pretends to know all but seldom does she provide proof. At least that’s been my experience whenever I’ve tried to reason with her.
Jbmission,
Thank you for pointing that out. I guess I was learning about this person that considers their speculation as fact. I don’t really mind if they voice it as an opinion, but to state something as fact and then dance around when called on it, speaks for itsself. I will take note and thanks for the heads up.
Let’s see, KC left the house with Caylee, 31 days later KC says she left Caylee with a nanny who then kidnapped Caylee. No one can find the nanny, not even a phone #, not even a meeting with anyone.
So when KC is asked what happened to Caylee she clams up and doesn’t know or tells some other lie.
What mother would lie regarding the whereabouts of her child?
KC had the child last. What happened to her? NO more BS or lies, how about the truth KC?
Richard,
Why oh why have you let these people take over your website?
It is hard to find your opinion and then they even argue with your expertise. (nts)
tattle tale
Baxter,
You are right. I searched through the 275 comments and could not find your opinion. Pretty hard to argue with your expertise when we can’t find your opinion. Btw, what is your opinion?
I know Baxter..I wondered the same thing..Much of it Baez and Co..and Ants..(not all though..like I said earlier..there are a few good but naive souls) so let them babble..Liars can’t keep their stories straight and even though the trial is over..who knows what truth may accidently be expelled from their BS one day..Probably be the closest we will ever come to finding out the truth..I’m just not even going to bother to read the comments anymore..I can’t bear to see Caylee disrespected in death the way she was in life..and that’s all they are doing..
PS Baxter..they still can’t comprehend that being found not guilty does not for a millisecond mean innocent and we know she’s not innocent..I’m really starting to wonder about ALL the pets that died in the previous years..As someone who has always had animals and had to bury a few..I was stunned when the SA starting listing off as to just how many had died..most with seemingly unknown causes..reminded me of Jeffrey Dahmer..now THAT’S a frightening thought knowing she is walking the street..anyone that can kill their daughter and walk hand and hand through Blockbuster with her BF a few hours later, I truly believe could kill again if someone was in her way…moo
I agree. It’s oddly fascinating to read their thoughts…..as their charade continues to wage on. Some posters “over there” are missing the exciting (manic-state) conspiracy theory-type, tin-foil-hat-donning sleuthing of the “ZFG connections”. It’s comedy gold. Cheap comedy gold. Brilliant, Jose….clap clap from one who loves to laugh at such fine examples of the absurdity of life. XX
Lizabeth Fryer writes the appellate brief of a lifetime!
mistruths..white lies..half truths..JB, you and Cindy/Seagull speak the same language…*birds of a feather* I suppose..tell seagull no pun intended..Casey didn’t take responsibility for anything..there you go with those *mistruths* again..She was caught on camera STEALING, she had NO CHOICE but to admit to it..She was stone cold busted..that’s the ONLY way she would EVER admit to anything…as horrible as it would have been, I wish Caylee’s murder had been as well..then you couldn’t have spewed your LIES and gotten her off..That’s right I forgot..spewing lies IS YOUR goal..Have no idea what os blog is..I don’t make the rounds trying to stir the pot..muddy the waters…LIE..I know you from WS where you and Cindy/seagull did the same thing you do here..She still does…just a little more careful now that most know who she is..Yep, aside from the few trouble makers and paid minions (not to be confused with the very few with good but naive hearts) she was pretty much alone once you were banned for spouting the most ridiculous nonsense and when anyone called you on it…you disappeared..You and seagull both were hit and run posters..Never stuck around long enough to actually back up your BS..probably because you couldn’t ..we all know that..I just happened to be reading Richards blog one day and saw you were at it again..I’m not a professional mis-truther like yourself..as far as my comment about Casey being a sociopath..you’re exactly right I did put *jmo* at the end and that’s exactly what it is..it’s clear to me that she has no conscience ..None of this has ever been about justice for Caylee for you..none in the least..It’s ALWAYS been about getting a killer off even if lying was the only way to do it..and as far as what you think about me..I could give a rats azz..I’ll take anything negative you have to say about me as a compliment..as should anyone else..Consider the source, as they say..and the source as far as I’m concerned has no morals, no ethics and is nothing but a bullsh!ter..You don’t like me or what I have to say..I am oh so glad..I don’t find any of this amusing myself..you and your cohorts just act like it’s one big joke and there’s nothing funny about it..I won’t respond to you anymore NTS..it’s not worth my time..just a couple words in parting..Karma is a bitch and all of you that find this so amusing I imagine will find it biting you in the azz one day..Some of that is JMO..much of it is FACT..I pity you..I truly do…
I’ve been away for a while, but I’m back now, and applaud your comment, You. I’ll just refer to you as “You”, as well as I commend Anonymous and Kimpossible, as well as some others, as usual. You all know that you can’t talk sense to a turnip, right?
You, you, are so right when you say that Casey would admit to nothing she wasn’t caught, red-handed, doing, like forging all of those checks, or stealing Grandpa Plesea’s money so she could buy herself a new cell phone, or leading her parents to believe that she was going to graduate from high school when in fact she wasn’t going to.
Fancy that – a notorious liar such as Casey leading her parents to believe she was going to be capped and gowned, and make them proud, and boom! They learned from the school that she didn’t have the credits necessary, and once again rather than hold her accountable her parents did nothing but make excuses for her.
I’ll even take it a step further and say, in light of the fact that it’s a well known fact that Casey didn’t want Caylee, one can reasonably wonder if Casey might have born Caylee in a gas station restroom, or perhaps one at the mall, and left her in the trash had Cindy not come to conclude that Casey wasn’t just “bloated”.
It’s clear to all but the most closed minded that Casey, indeed, has no conscience, and has been deemed to be, by the majority of observant professionals, a victim of nothing but her own psychopathy.
Having been away, I’ve much catching up to do, and will get to that now. I look forward to being ridiculed by those with the JB Mission mindset! It’s always a compliment!
We all experienced times in our lives when we didn’t hear something correctly and asked for clarification. We all know that when two or more people look at a painting there will, more than likely, be three different interpretations relative to what the artist wanted to “say”. And then there are times in life when we simply do not understand the problem but are asked to figure it out and when all else fails we turn to someone for help or just go to the back of the damn book and get the answer.
But there are people who go through life mis-hearing and mis-seeing and misunderstanding so that the stories they tell themselves will add up (Malcolm). That’s what I think happened to those who believe Ms Anthony is not a psychopath or a pathological liar. They simply do not want to believe what they hear or see. When they read the lies they simply say “it was part of the script” -as though lying was values driven.
Remember the defendant told Mr Ashton, “I didn’t commit the crime” and Casey supporters always agree that “She” was never missing. “She” was dead. “She” drowned in the pool. They understand the lies. When others are repulsed by them they are called liars.